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印度應購買陣風戰機來對抗中國殲20嗎

Should India Still Buy Fourth Generation Rafale Fighters To Take On China's Fifth Gen Chengdu J-20?

印度仍需購買四代戰機“陣風”來對抗中國五代戰機“殲-20”嗎?

Quora評論翻譯:

Harsh Bardhan, studied at Holy Child School,Mohitnagar,Jalpaiguri,W.B.,India (2016)

Fact is that Dassault Rafale though a 4.5 generation can take on stealth aircrafts particularly Chengudu J-20.

實際上,達索的“陣風”雖是4代半戰機,卻能對抗隱形戰機,特別是“殲-20”。

一架F-22“猛禽”戰機被“陣風”戰機鎖定

A F-22 “Raptor” locked by a Dassault Rafale

一架F-22“猛禽”戰機被“陣風”戰機鎖定

Rafale also comes with far more advanced weaponry like Meteor BVRAAM which has a Lock-on After Launch ( LOAL ) feature which gives it a serious advantage over other fighter jets.

“陣風”還配備了更為先進的武器,比如"流星"超視距先進空對空導彈,具備發射后鎖定(LOAL)功能,這使它比其他戰斗機擁有一個巨大優勢。

Rafale also has well-substantiated stealth capabilities not found in Flankers or other Chinese 4th and 4++ gen fighters ( Many of which are based on Flanker Designs )

“陣風”也有很好的隱形能力,這是蘇-27“側衛”或其他中國4代及4代+戰斗(其中很多都是基于“側衛”的設計)機所不具備的。

法國陣風戰機

The minimal RCS of Rafale, according to Dassault engineer (1/10~1/20 of Mirage-2000's frontal RCS), should be 0.05 to 0.1 m2 class.

根據達索工程師的說法,“陣風”戰機的最小雷達截面積應該是0.05到0.1平方米((是幻影-2000正面雷達截面積的1/10~1/20)。

Rafale makes extensive use of radar-absorbent material (RAM) in the form of paints and other materials. RAM forms a saw-toothed pattern on the wing and canard trailing edges, for instance. The aircraft is designed to, so that its untreated radar signature is concentrated in a few strong "spikes," which are then suppressed by the selective use of RAM.

“陣風”大量使用雷達波吸收材料(RAM)。例如,在機翼和鴨尾緣上使用吸波材料繪制鋸齒狀圖案,未經處理的雷達信號集中在幾個強大的“尖峰”上,然后通過選擇性地使用吸波材料來抑制這些信號。

Rafale in a true sense is an omnirole fighter. It is able to carry out a very wide range of missions:

ŸAir-defense / air-superiority,

ŸAnti-Access/Area Denial,

ŸReconnaissance,

ŸClose air support,

ŸDynamic Targeting,

ŸAir-to-ground precision strike / interdiction,

ŸAnti-ship attacks,

ŸNuclear deterrence,

ŸBuddy-buddy refueling.

“陣風”是真正意義上的全能戰斗機,能夠執行非常廣泛的任務:

防空/制空

反介入/區域封鎖,

偵察

近距離空中支援,

動態目標鎖定

空對地精確打擊/封鎖

反艦攻擊

核威懾

空中加油

Besides it is now combat-tested too in recent French Air Force Operations also. J-20 is in a low production rate and will be combat-ready only by 2020, the time when India will start receiving Rafale fighters.

此外,“陣風”目前也在法國空軍最近的行動中通過了實戰測試。殲-20的生產速度較慢,到2020年才能投入戰斗,屆時印度將開始接收“陣風”戰機。

With Rafale India will start operating a mix of aircraft. Mig-21 will be replaced by HAL Tejas as the primary interceptor aircraft. Mig-29 will retire by 2035 while Su-30 MKI will continue till the 2050. India is also betting on foreign single-engine fighter jets basically on two contenders : F-16 “Viper” and Saab Jas 39 Gripen-E.

有了“陣風”戰機,印度將開始操作多種機型。印度斯坦航空公司的“光輝”戰機將取代米格-21,承擔主要的攔截任務。米格-29將在2035年退役,而蘇-30 MKI將持續服役至2050年。印度還看好兩款外國單引擎戰斗機:F-16“毒蛇”(Viper)和薩博Jas 39“鷹獅”。

India will also receive PAK FA by 2020 and FGFA customisation will be done by 2025–28 which will be India’s first fifth generation fleet.

印度也將在2020年接收俄羅斯T-50戰機PAK FA, 俄印合作為印度定制的五代機將在2025年至28-28年完成,這將是印度第五代機群。

PAK FA

PAK FA

T-50戰機PAK FA

Also India is developing its own fifth generation aircraft by name AMCA with first prototypes to come in 2019 and it will enter service in 2030–35 when the last Migs of IAF will retire.

此外,印度正在研發自己的第五代戰機機AMCA,首批原型機將于2019年問世,并將于2030-35年服役,屆時印度空軍的最后一架米格戰機將退役。

2017年印度航展上的AMCA模型機

A model of AMCA at Aero India 2017

2017年印度航展上的AMCA模型機

譯文來源:三泰虎 http://www.fjstf.live/47215.html

 

Akash Pandey, M.S. Aerodynamics & Aeroacoustics, TU Delft Aerospace Engineering (2020)

We have our own 5th gen fighter to take on the chinese jets. The reason we are buying Rafale is not to take on 5th Gen fighters but to replenish, slightly modernise and diversify our fighter fleet.

They are here to fill in the gap before we get PAK-FA, Tejas and AMCA ( long time before we get that). So these jets will help us maintain a bare minimum fighter squadron strength and also make up for the fast retiring Migs.

對抗中國戰機,我們有國產五代戰機。我們購買“陣風”戰機不是為了與五代戰機較量,而是為了補充我們的戰斗機。

在我們得到T-50, 光輝和AMCA(還要很長時間)戰機之前,“陣風”戰機只是用來填補空白的,陣風戰機將幫助我們維持最小的戰斗機中隊,并彌補即將退役的米格戰機的不足。

 

Eric A

The French Rafael is an out-dated fighter jet. Indian go nment just realised it. That’s why India just called for new jet fighters two months after India has signed the Rafael deal for 36 jets.

Apparently India has regretted to have purchased the RAFAEL with each of over US$220 millions, expensive but useless as compared to Russai Su30. India will cry more when India got the France jet 10 years later, the maintainece fees are the same cost as the jet itself, otherwise it will crash like Indian Su30 now.

J20 is the latest, the most advanced 5th generation stealth fighter jet, one of the best in the world. There are only 3 countries capable of manufacturing the world most advanced fighter jets: the U.S., Russia and China. Maybe China is the second country in the world, who has deployed the 5th Generation stealth fighter jet in the world.

J20 is one or more and half generation ahead of Rafael.

Based on Russia military expert: Rafael is just like a mosquitto in front of Russia Su27 and Su30.

法國“陣風”戰機是一種過時的戰斗機。印度政府剛剛意識到這一點。這就是為什么印度在簽署了購買36架“陣風”戰機的協議兩個月后便提出要購買新戰機。

顯然,印度后悔以超過2.2億美元的單價購買“陣風”,與俄羅斯蘇-30相比,不僅價格昂貴,而且毫無用處。10年后,當印度收到“陣風”戰機時,印度會更加后悔,維修費和戰機本身一樣貴,不好好保養的話它會像現在的蘇-30一樣接二連三地墜毀。

殲-20是最新的,最先進的第五代隱形戰機,全球最好的戰機之一。只有三個國家有能力造世界上最先進的戰斗機,分別是美國,俄羅斯和中國。也許中國是世界上第二個部署了第五代隱形戰機的國家。

殲-20比“陣風”先進一代。

根據俄羅斯軍事專家的說法: 在俄羅斯蘇-27和蘇-30面前,“陣風”就像一只蚊子。

 

Adam Singh

Rafale is a light fighter. Rafale was designed to be extremely rugged, to the point, stobar launches don't need any modifications, and arrested landings need a single hook, rafale structure doesn't even need to be touched.

Then comes information fusion cockpit and spectre system/suite. Both are needed by India for research and for development for Tejas future upgrades. It helps that rafale systems were written in same suite as Tejas. Hence Indian deal to get rafales.

Rafale although not a stealth aircraft, it's design had key elements (leading roots, air intake, etc) to reduce RCS.

J-20 is a heavy twin engine, stealth fighter. Designed to penetrate enemy defense systems.

Both are different class and have different mission profiles. None better that other as both have different requirements.

“陣風”是一種輕型戰斗機,非常堅固,可短距起飛,阻攔著陸只需要一個著陸鉤。

“陣風”雖然不是隱形戰機,但在其設計上有一些關鍵因素(翼根、進氣口等)來減少雷達截面積。

殲-20是一種重型雙引擎隱形戰斗機,用于滲透敵人的防御系統。

二者屬于不同的類別,適合執行不同的任務。二者適合不同的需求,無所謂哪個更好。

 

Ashish Bhatt, Research Scholar(phd) at B V Patel Pharmaceutical and Education Research Centre

On paper J-20 is superior fighter than Rafale but as history has tought us ground reality in war is different than what is on paper. So no one can actually say how these two will fare in war or one on one fight.

BUT THE COMPARISON IS NOT FAIR. The reason is that Rafale is 4.5th gen fighter and J20 is 5th gen fighter. J-20 will be front line fighter for china while Rafale is simply to get more number of aircraft. It is specifically to replace old mig bison fleet. In case of war Rafale will be deployed only for specific bombing mission not for dogfight or evading enemy radar to destroy specific target.

理論上,殲-20戰機比“陣風”戰機更先進,但歷史告訴我們,實戰結果與理論不同。所以沒有人能斷言在戰爭中或一對一的空戰中,這兩款戰機的PK結果會如何。

這種比較并不公平,陣風是4代半戰機,而殲-20是5代戰機。殲-20將成為中國的前線戰斗機,而印度購買“陣風”只是為了充實力量,專門用來取代舊的米格野牛戰斗機的。實戰中,“陣風”將只用于特定的轟炸任務,而不是空戰。

 

Kumar Muthu

India’s Dassault Rafale

印度的達索“陣風”

 

Prasenjit Singh Bist, Senior System Analyst at IBM Global Business Services

J-20 ???? Are u insane to compare china crap with rafale.

殲- 20 ? ? ? ?拿中國的垃圾戰機和“陣風”相比,你瘋了嗎?

 

Alex Bi, studied at RMIT University

R u crazy man, compare 5 generation fighter to 4.5 generation? American air force tell the exchange ration is 144:1

你瘋了嗎,拿5代戰機和4代半戰機相比?

 

Kai Tang

J-20 comes with PL-15 missiles, which has 400km range. Rafael comes with 150km Meteor missile. J-20 is low observable, one generation ahead.

殲-20配備霹靂-15導彈,射程400公里。“陣風”攜帶150公里流星導彈。殲-20是低可觀測的,領先一代。

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